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These Last Days News - June 24, 2010
With the
Lefebvrists, Ecumenism Doesn't Come Cheap...
TRADITIONALIST
"We hear all names coming forward to Our ears of churches being born
anew, called the Traditional Roman Catholic Church. My child and My children, We
need no more Traditionalists running around and creating new churches. We have
to remain steadfast and firm in our convictions that with enough prayer, and
also the firm example of holiness among many, this will not happen. We do not
condemn those who make these side churches, the Traditional Roman Catholic
churches; they mean well, but they are being led astray. There will be
eventually an American Catholic Church if this continues. This is not approved
by Heaven.... It is most urgent that this breaking away stop now before it
evolves into a major schism." - Jesus, September 14, 1985
Chiesa reported on June 2, 2010:
At the beginning of 2009, the pope's decision to lift the excommunication of four bishops ordained illicitly by Lefebvre – a decision poorly communicated and poorly understood inside and outside of the Church – caused a storm of confusion and criticism.
In order to clarify the meaning of his action, Benedict XVI sent a letter to the bishops on March 10 of last year. In it, he explained that the lifting of the excommunication was intended to call "those thus punished to repent and to return to unity." And he stressed that the journey of reconciliation had yet to be undertaken, because the dispute was of a doctrinal nature and concerned the acceptance of Vatican Council II and the post-conciliar magisterium of the popes.
In confirmation of this doctrinal nature of the dispute, the pope closely joined the pontifical commission "Ecclesia Dei" – charged with dialoguing with the Lefebvrists and with other similar groups – with the congregation for the doctrine of the faith.
In the same letter to the bishops, Benedict XVI explained that the call to the unity of faith must apply to all Christians. And therefore it is senseless to "casually let drift farther from the Church" the 491 seminarians, 6 seminaries, 88 schools, 2 university institutes, 117 brothers, 164 sisters, and thousands of faithful who make up the Lefebvrist community.
But the pope also noted, with regret, that there is an intolerance in the Church aimed both at the Lefebvrists and at those who "dare to approach them."
Benedict XVI himself is a target of this intolerance. He wrote to the bishops that because of his efforts to reconcile the Lefebvrists with the Church, "some groups openly accused the pope of wanting to turn back the clock to before [Vatican Council II]."
These criticisms have recently reappeared, even in theologically sophisticated forms. For example, in a cerebral commentary written by Eberhard Schockenhoff, professor of moral theology at the University of Freiburg, in the April 2010 issue of the German Jesuit magazine "Stimmen der Zeit," reproduced in its entirety, in Italian, in the latest issue of "Il Regno."
Schockenhoff is a professor of moral theology at the University of Freigburg, and was a disciple and assistant of Walter Kasper, now a cardinal and president of the pontifical council for Christian unity.
In his commentary, Schockenhoff correctly writes that the real disagreement between the Church of Rome and the Lefebvrists does not concern the Mass in Latin, but the teaching of Vatican II, especially on ecclesiology and on freedom of conscience and religion.
But he also writes that Rome is wrong to whip up restrictive interpretations of the conciliar texts to offer to the Lefebvrists in the hope that these will be accepted by them. Because in Schockenhoff's view, this is exactly what is happening in the closed-door meetings organized by "Ecclesia Dei."
Rome – Schockenhoff writes – wants to extract a verbal acknowledgment of the freedom of conscience and religion, the cornerstones of modern culture, from no less than the Lefebvrists, the most dogged enemies of modernity. But doing this is like trying to "square the circle," impossible. No one would ever believe in the sincerity of such a reconciliation, even if it were signed.
In condemning the "hermeneutic tightrope walk" by which the Church of Rome wants to reconcile the Lefebvrists to itself, with grave harm to the correct interpretation of the Council, Schockenhoff repeatedly cites Ratzinger the theologian and his "Platonist-Augustinian conception of conscience": a conception "too different" – he writes – from that of the conciliar declaration "Dignitatis Humanae" on religious freedom.
The work by Ratzinger that is cited is from 1992. Inexplicably, however, Schockenhoff does not cite a much more pertinent and recent text by Ratzinger, after he became pope.
This key text is the final part of the memorable speech that Benedict XVI gave to the Roman curia on December 22, 2005, on the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
In explaining how to interpret the Council correctly, Benedict XVI shows how it did in fact introduce new developments with respect to the past, but always in continuity with "the deepest patrimony of the Church."
And as an example of this interplay between newness and continuity, the pope illustrates precisely the conciliar ideas on freedom of religion: the main point of division between the Church and the Lefebvrists.
From this speech onward, it becomes clear that for Benedict XVI, the Lefebvrists can reconcile with the Church only if they accept everything written in "Dignitatis Humanae" according to the interpretation of it made by the pope, and not according to another more restrictive, or "Platonist-Augustinian," interpretation.
The following is the extensive concluding passage of Benedict XVI's speech on December 22, 2005.
"IN THIS PROCESS OF CHANGE THROUGH CONTINUITY..."
by Benedict XVI
[...] The Council had to find a new definition of the relationship between the Church and the modern age. This relationship started out difficultly with the Galileo trial. It broke completely, when Kant defined “religion within pure reason” and when, in the radical phase of the French Revolution, an image of the state and of man was spread that practically intended to crowd out the Church and faith. The clash of the Church's faith with a radical liberalism and also with natural sciences that claimed to embrace, with its knowledge, the totality of reality to its outmost borders, stubbornly setting itself to make the “hypothesis of God” superfluous, had provoked in the 19th century under Pius IX, on the part of the Church, a harsh and radical condemnation of this spirit of the modern age. Thus, there were apparently no grounds for an positive and fruitful agreement, and drastic were also the refusals on the part of those who felt they were the representatives of the modern age.
However, in the meantime, the modern age also had its development. It was becoming clear that the American Revolution had offered a model of the modern state that was different from that theorized by the radical tendencies that had emerged from the second phase of the French Revolution. Natural sciences began, in a more and more clear way, to reflect their own limits, imposed by their own method which, though achieving great things, was nevertheless not able to comprehend the totality of reality.
Thus, both sides began to progressively open up to each other. In the period between the two world wars and even more after the second world war, Catholic statement had shown that a modern lay state can exist, which nevertheless is not neutral with respect to values, but lives tapping into the great ethical fonts of Christianity. Catholic social doctrine, as it developed, had become an important model between radical liberalism and the Marxist theory of the state. Natural sciences, which would unreservedly profess to its own method in which God had no access, realized ever more clearly that this method was not comprehensive of the totality of reality and thus opened once again their doors to God, knowing that reality is greater than naturalistic method and what it can embrace.
It could be said that three tiers of questions were formed that now, at the hour of Vatican II, awaited a response.
First and foremost, it was necessary to define in a new way the relationship between faith and modern science; this regarded, however, not only natural sciences, but also historical sciences because, in a certain school, the historical-critical method claimed for itself the final words on the interpretation of the Bible and, demanding full exclusiveness for its understanding of Sacred Scriptures, it opposed, on important points, the interpretation that the faith of the Church had elaborated.
Secondly, it was necessary to define in a new way the relationship between the Church and the modern state, which made room to citizens of various religions and ideologies, acting impartially towards these religions and simply taking on the responsibility for the orderly and tolerant coexistence between citizens and for their freedom to exercise their religion.
To this, thirdly, was connected in a more general way the problem of religious tolerance – a question that called for a new definition of the relationship between Christian faith and religion in the world. In particular, in the face of the recent crimes of the National-Socialist regime and, in general, in a retrospective look on a long and difficult history, it was necessary to evaluate and define in a new way the relationship between the Church and the faith of Israel.
These are all important subjects – these great themes of the second part of the Council – upon which we cannot now dwell much here. It is clear that in all these sectors, which together are one problem, some discontinuities would emerge. Although this may not have been fully appreciated at first, the discontinuities that did emerge – notwithstanding distinct concrete historical situations and their needs – did prevent continuity at the level of principles.
The nature of true reform lies in this combination of multi-leveled continuity and discontinuity.
In this process of change through continuity we had to learn how to understand better than before that the Church’s decisions about contingent matters – for example, about actual forms of liberalism or liberal interpretations of the Bible – were necessarily themselves contingent because related to a reality itself changeable.
We had to learn how to recognize that in such decisions only principles express what is lasting, embedded in the background and determining the decision from within. The concrete forms these decisions take are not permanent but depend upon the historical situations. They can therefore change.
Thus, for example, with freedom of religion seen as expressing mankind’s inability to find truth, relativism becomes the canon. From being a social and historical necessity it is incorrectly elevated to a metaphysical level that loses its true meaning. It therefore becomes unacceptable to those who believe that mankind can reach the truth of God and, based on truth’s inner dignity, is related to such knowledge.
This is completely different from viewing freedom of religion as a necessity that human coexistence requires or even seeing it as an inherent consequence of the truth that such freedom cannot be imposed from the outside but must come from a conviction from within.
By adopting a decree on religious freedom, the Second Vatican Council recognized and made its own an essential principle of the modern state. And in doing so, it reconnected with the wider heritage of the Church.
The Church itself is conscious that it is fully in sync with the teachings of Jesus (cf Mt 22: 21), the Church of the early martyrs, and with all the martyrs. Although the early Church dutifully prayed for emperors and political leaders as a matter of fact (cf 1 Tm 2: 2), it refused to worship them and thus rejected the state religion. In dying for their faith in the one God revealed in Jesus Christ, the martyrs of the early Church also died on behalf of freedom of conscience and the freedom to profess one’s own religion. No state can impose any religion; instead, religion must be freely chosen with the grace of God and in freedom of conscience.
A missionary Church required to proclaim its message to all the nations must commit itself to freedom of religion. It must pass on the gift of truth that exists for all and at the same time reassure nations and governments that it does not want to destroy their identities and cultures. It must show that it brings an answer they intimately expect. This answer is not lost among the many cultures, but instead enhances unity among men and thus peace among nations.
By defining in a new way the relationship between the faith of the Church and some essential elements of modern thinking, the Second Vatican Council revised and even corrected some past decisions. But in an apparent discontinuity it has instead preserved and reinforced its intimate nature and true identity. The Church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic both before and after the Council, throughout time. It “presses forward amid the persecutions of the world and the consolations of God,” announcing the cross and death of the Lord until he comes (cf Lumen gentium, 8).
Yet those who expected that with this fundamental “Yes” to the modern age, all tensions would melt away, and that this “opening up to the world” would render everything harmonious, underestimated the inner tensions and contradictions of the modern age; they underestimated the internal tensions and the dangerous fragility of human nature, which have threatened man’s journey throughout all historical periods and configurations. Given man’s new power over himself and over matter, these dangers have not disappeared; instead, they have acquired a new dimension. We can clearly illustrate this by looking at current history.
In our time too, the Church remains a “sign of contradiction” (Lk 2: 34) and for this reason in 1976 pope John Paul II, then a cardinal, gave it as the title to the spiritual exercises he preached to Pope Paul VI and the Roman curia. The Council could not abolish this Gospel contradiction in the face of the dangers and errors of mankind. What it did do was put aside wrong or superfluous contradictions in order to present to our world the requirements of the Gospel in all its greatness and purity.
The steps that the Council took toward the modern age – which in a rather imprecise manner has been presented as an “opening up to the world” – belongs decisively among the perennial problems of the ever changing relationship between faith and reason.
Undoubtedly, the Council faced situations that existed before. In his first Epistle, saint Peter urged Christians to be ready to answer (apo-logia) anyone who asked them the logos, the reason for their faith (cf 3:15). This meant that biblical faith had to interact with and relate to Greek culture, learning how to recognize, by interpreting distinctions as well as through contact and affinity with the latter, the one God-given reason.
When Medieval Christianity, largely schooled in the Platonic tradition, came into contact with Aristotle’s ideas via Jewish and Arab philosophers in the 13th century, faith and reason almost became irreconcilable. But saint Thomas Aquinas was especially able to find a new synthesis between faith and Aristotelian philosophy. Faith could relate in a positive manner with the dominant notions of reason of the time.
The exacting disputes between modern reason and Christian faith, which started off on the wrong foot with Galileo’s trial, went through several phases. But by the time the Second Vatican Council was convened new thinking was possible. The new approach found in the conciliar papers sets out only guidelines but also the essential direction so that the dialogue between faith and reason, very important nowadays, has found its orientation in Vatican II.
This dialogue must now be developed with the openmindedness, but also with that clarity in the discernment of spirits that the world rightly expects from us. We can look back with gratitude to the Second Vatican Council. If we read and accept it guided by a correct interpretation, it can become a great force in the ever necessary renewal of the Church. [...]
“The way to Heaven has been written in the Book of life, your Bible. We do not expect you to change it to please man, for man must change his ways that offend his God to please his God; for man must strive to be as perfect as God the Father to enter—in order to enter the Kingdom of God the Father. Therefore, you will not change the doctrines or go about with itching ears listening to theologians who have become now bloated with pride and arrogance and now seek to make man a god in his own world. But remember: every man, woman, and child upon earth will leave his body sooner or later, for he must die and pass over the veil for judgment." - Jesus, August 4, 1979
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BAIL IT OUT
"We will not tolerate division in My Church. Satan knows to divide is to
conquer. The captains always remain upon the ship, even when it is sinking. The
strong, those with faith, shall bail it out, the ship, keep it afloat until help
arrives from Heaven." - Jesus, March 18, 1978
PAPACY
"You will maintain the papacy in Rome. I tell you anew that 666 now is in Rome.
Do not judge My Son's Church by His pastors. In their human nature they can
err..." - Our Lady, June 10, 1978
LATIN
"Do not leave My Son's Church though, My children, because they have taken this
language [Latin] from among you. You must wait and persevere and weep with My
Son for this defilement by man." - Our Lady, April 10, 1976
CLEANSING
"There must be a complete cleansing of My Son's Church. What do you do, My
children, when your house has been infested by rodents or vermin? You clean out
your house. You do not abandon it, for it has taken much love and much labor to
build the walls. You do not abandon it, but you work and pray, and use every
means to clean out My Son's House, His Church." - Our Lady, November 20, 1979
RULING BODIES
"You must, My children, tell your brothers and sisters that they must not at
this time separate themselves from your ruling bodies within your Church. Satan
has set upon the world much confusion and error." - Our Lady, March 18, 1976
VALID
"Yes, My child, Jesus is always present in His House. The Holy Sacrifice of His
Mass is always valid when performed by a duly ordained priest, no matter what
his human character is. At the time of the Consecration the Father sends the
Holy Spirit down to use this human being known as your high priest, to bring to
you the Body and the Blood, spiritual and physical, of My Son to you.... It is
satan's plan to drive you from My Son's House by creating a fallacy and the
outright lie, My children, that the Mass is no longer valid and My Son not
present!" - Our Lady, October 6, 1973
MASS VALID
"My heart, My Son's heart has been grieved, as We go about the world
and see the carnage taking place within His Church. We can see a division
bordering on schism. My children, I have asked you in the past—We cannot have
this division, for it is promoted by satan. The adage of old remains forever
true: United you will stand but divided you will fall.
"Do not judge My Son's House, His Church, by the man. Though he is a
representative—legal, a legal representative of My Son in His House, he is but a
human in his nature. But during the time that My Son comes to you, this man will
be used through the Holy Spirit, regardless of the state of his human nature, be
it sin or a saint—be it a sinner or one who has led even those astray—at the
time that My Son comes in the Consecration, He shall not turn aside from you, My
Son. Therefore, you cannot say the Mass is invalid. This has brought great
sorrow to Our hearts, for many have left the fold on this matter." - Our Lady,
August 14, 1981
U.S. HEADS FAST TO SCHISM
"We do not want a separation within My Son's House, the Roman Catholic
Church under Peter and now Pope Paul VI. We do not want a separation within My
Son's House. The United States of America heads fast to a schism. Fight, My
children; do not give in to the forces of evil. Fight the enemy with prayer."
- Our Lady, May 29, 1976
REMAIN WITH ROME
"We ask you from Heaven not to leave, not to create a schism from your
main body in Rome. You must remain within My Son's Church and pray a constant
vigilance of prayer. Satan and his agents have entered in full battle upon My
Son's Church. Satan has entered into the highest ranks within My Son's Church
and the world. He will manipulate powers, provincials, until he brings about a
great chastisement, because man will not listen and mend his ways." - Our Lady,
February 10, 1977
MUST BE ACCEPTED, FOLLOWED
"Peter was My first Pope and your first Pope, and as all others who
followed him, they must be accepted. Be they weak or noble, be they with
sanctity or unholiness, they must be accepted and followed....
"I ask you not to judge another. You may counsel, you may give your
viewpoints, but no violence must be used. And I do not want schism. I do not
want any interference from separated brethren in My Church. They must be brought
back. Convert the unbeliever! You must remain united with Rome.
"The gates of hell shall not prevail against My Church, for a cleansing
will come about and all that is rotten will fall! And My Church shall be
restored to its former glory!" - Jesus, June 9, 1979
MANKIND ON PATH OF SCHISM
"The Eternal Father in Heaven is watching as mankind is setting himself
fast upon a path of schism. There will be much strife within the Eternal City,
My child. You must keep a constant vigilance of prayer." - Our Lady, April 10,
1976
STAND BEHIND YOUR VICAR
"I have wandered throughout the world crying to My children, and My
tears fall upon you, for as I have cried for obedience to your Eternal Father in
Heaven, and also to Our Pope, Our poor Vicar, who suffers much at the hands of
the enemies of your God.
"You must pray for your bishops, you must pray for all the clergy, and
especially you must stand behind your Vicar, Pope John Paul II, because there
will be another attempt upon his life." - Our Lady, March 18, 1983
PETER'S DESCENDANTS SHALL RULE
"You must not compromise your Faith, My children, by bringing in those
who have separated themselves from your true Church. This Church was founded by
My Son, and He set a leader, a Pope, among you.
"Peter and his descendants shall rule. There shall not be set up a
governing body of hierarchy!" - Our Lady, November 20, 1975
Directives from Heaven...
D11 - Remain in the Parish Church
D107 - Pride
D125 - Ecumenism
D161 - The Great Apostasy
D163 - Schism
D164 - Heresy
Articles...
Teilhard de Chardin is in hell
https://www.tldm.org/news6/teilhard.htmHeresy, O mournful heresy!
https://www.tldm.org/news4/heresy.htmPublic dissenters and heretics in the Catholic Church
https://www.tldm.org/news6/dissenters.htmLiberals "follow in the footsteps of Lucifer"
https://www.tldm.org/news7/LiberalsFollowLucifer.htmWomen "priests": a recent history
https://www.tldm.org/news4/womenpriests.htmWomen "priests" a heresy
https://www.tldm.org/news4/womenpriests2.htmBishop rules priest rendered "unfit" for priesthood over campaign for women priests
https://www.tldm.org/News8/WomenPriests4.htmBishop says that 2/3 of high school catechetical materials are faulty
https://www.tldm.org/news6/catechisms.htm"Pro-choice" position is heresy says Oregon Catholic bishop
https://www.tldm.org/News9/ProChoiceHeresy.htmVatican confirms Bishop Bruskewitz justified in excommunicating Call to Action members in his diocese
https://www.tldm.org/News9/BruskewitzExcommunicatesCallToAction.htmRepeated defiance of Rome: Cardinal Martini defies Pope; sabotages Church’s teaching on life
https://www.tldm.org/News10/EuthanasiaCardinalMartini.htm
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