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Evidence for the REAL Third Secret:

 

The History of the “Jacinta 1972” Miraculous Photograph...

 

"Satan, Lucifer in human form, entered into Rome in the year 1972. He cut off the rule, the role of the Holy Father, Pope Paul VI. Lucifer has controlled Rome and continues this control now.
     "And I tell you now, My children, unless you pray and make My counsel known to all of the ruling fathers of the Eternal City of Rome, My Son's Church, His House, will be forced into the catacombs. A great struggle lies ahead for mankind. The eventual outcome is for good of all, for this trial in My Son's Church will be a true proving ground for all the faithful. Many latter-day saints shall rise out of the tribulation." - Our Lady of the Roses, September 7, 1978
 

Veronica - Oh! Now by Our Lady there’s a great ... oh, there’s a great light.   And there ... oh, oh, it’s Jacinta! I know her ... now, and she’s pointing over to the trees.  And she’s holding up one finger. She says:
Jacinta - "All has come true as I gave to you from Our Lady, but Our Father still plans to bring you back. Everyone has so much in many things upon your earth, but yet they all look so unhappy.  They are rich, and yet they are so poor.
    "I have come to tell you of the poor Holy Father.  I cried much for him.  We love him, but man will destroy him now.
    "Many little children are being destroyed on your earth.  Our Father sends the angels to you, but you send them back to Us.  It is only because Satan does not want a large army upon earth of Our Father’s children.  Those that will be left will bring much grief and misery to the world, for they will be taken by Satan and used.
    "I gave you the picture.  I wrote on your picture.  I did not know how to write much on earth, but I wrote.  Our Father showed me how to write.  Won’t you give everyone my picture?  I want them to remember what I tried to tell them." - February 1, 1973

 

 

Note: Jacinta of Fatima is a key to unlocking the contents of the REAL Third Secret of Fatima. As mentioned by several Fatima scholars, and Pope John XXIII, the authentic Third Secret of Fatima contains a specific date. We know from Our Lady of the Roses message that the year "1972" was mentioned in the REAL Third Secret, and any version of the Third Secret is not authentic, or at least incomplete, that does not contain this essential element. Furthermore, Jacinta of Fatima had a vision of the Pope of the Third Secret, mentioned by Our Lady of Fatima. The Pope Jacinta saw in this vision was Pope Paul VI.

 

The following was taken from "Veronica Lueken's Conversations with Jesus:" http://www.tldm.org/info/conversationswithjesus.htm

 

“Jacinta 1972” photograph

Veronica - The first note I have come across brings back a great deal of happy memories. Now this one, this page, is dated January 23, 1971.

     When I lived in Bayside, there was a young girl living in the apartment to the right of me upstairs, named Carol M. Carol was a young girl with three children to support, living by herself, the second apartment over, in our garden complex.

     Now Heaven works in most mysterious ways. Heaven does seem to choose people who are not what the average individual would expect to look for or be like for their mission. Carol M. was one of the first—what you would say—writers for Heaven, in the year 1971. You must understand that from ‘68 on, when Saint Theresa first appeared to me in 1968, Heaven was conducting locutions with me and my Raymond, and one more individual, Carol M. during this time.

     Now Carol and I were alone at the time, I believe. Heaven, through a—“locution’’ is the word they use—would speak to me, and Carol would write it down.

     And also present at times was Robert F., the young man who received the miraculous photograph of “Jacinta 1972”. Robert F. was one of our early workers, and he lived in Bayside, the St. Robert Bellarmine Parish.

     I have often written to the Chancery and the Reverend Fathers of St. Robert’s to go and speak with Robert F. and ask him how his wonderful photograph was taken; and they would understand that it was not a fraud, or could (not) be repeated, as was written in The Long Island Press.

     But there was a Bill Wuest, a photographer for the Long Island Press, that said that he could duplicate the “Jacinta 1972” picture. Well, factually he couldn’t. I had asked the reporter, a Mr. Gershowitz, I believe his name was, to go and speak with Robert F. Robert F. must have told him exactly how miraculously he had received this picture “Jacinta 1972’’ from out of nowhere, so to say. But instead of accepting the truth, when he took it back, perhaps to his editors of the Press and the photographer, a Bill Wuest, they proceeded to make it look very foolish and reprinted a picture of Bill Wuest sitting on a stool, as I remember correctly. And written across the picture was “Bill Wuest ‘72,” or something like that, a mockery.

     Whereas, when I called the reporter and asked for a copy of his photograph, he couldn’t give me one. And he hemmed and hawed about it. I told him, l said, “You couldn’t reproduce that, because it was only produced by Heaven. And it was electrostatically written; you can see that. There was depth and color that was not brought out in the Long Island Press. There was no similarity at all, except in black and white—whatever you did by writing ‘Bill Wuest.’’’

     To a public—a public could be deluded to say they look alike; but let us see the originals, which they never have shown. They were the ones that did the trickery in the picture, because the “Jacinta 1972” photograph was taken in a manner that was absolutely supernatural. And I think it’s time that I place this on tape for everyone to know.

     There were witnesses to the taking of that picture. One was Clara Kreitmeyer, and several of the other ladies by the statue.

     That evening in 1970 or ‘71, Robert F. was passing by the Shrine grounds at Bayside, and there were only several ladies there kneeling, praying the Rosary by the original statue on the grounds next to the present gym, which was the old Church. (The new one is down the block.) And Clara saw Robert F. and asked if he would take a picture of them praying the Rosary there. They would like to have a memento of themselves and the other ladies on the grounds, the sacred grounds of Our Lady.

     Robert wanted to please them, so he got his camera he was carrying at the time. (I’m not sure whether he had a camera with him, or whether he went back to his car and got it, because Robert F. used to have a small little Corvette. You know, one of those small cars. I rode one time in it with him; he took me somewhere.) And he said he would take this photograph.

     When he took the photograph, the way he would explain it to you, as he has explained it to Brother Frost—and many other people, I would assume—is: this is exactly what happened. He had a Polaroid camera, the kind where you had to pull out the picture. (You know, the old-fashioned ones, now, not like the SX-70’s, but the kind that you had to pull out the picture, wait sixty seconds or so, and then pull the cover off.) And so he had pulled out his picture and set the timer for sixty seconds, like you do (that little round thing on the end of the camera). And all of sudden, as he held the picture out, he felt—he heard a snap, a crack, and he felt like his fingers that were holding the picture had been hit by an electrical current.

     Well, it happened so suddenly and so fast that he thought at first that perhaps, oh, what I’m hearing is the ticking of the sixty seconds off on the camera (you know, as the little knob turned off the sixty seconds until the picture was finished). But he felt electricity, he said, go through his fingers. Yet there was no electrical storm or anything taking place. Well, after he waited he tore off the cover of the picture.

     Oh, but Clara Kreitmeyer at that time was waiting anxiously to receive the picture that he had taken. But whatever happened, she said, Robert looked at the picture and he turned pale as a ghost, dropped the picture, and ran. And I believe, if I could go see Clara to hear the whole story of what happened again, that he dropped the camera also, and ran. But then, as he started to leave (it shocked him so, whatever was on that picture) he changed his mind, came back, picked up the picture and the camera, and ran.

     Well, what happened is, that picture—and Clara Kreitmeyer will testify to this—that picture had writing on it, writing “Jacinta 1972.’’ Now he was standing on the sidewalk to take this picture of the ladies praying the Rosary, facing the statue. So you can imagine (and I can, too, even ten years later) the shock it was to him to take a picture of Our Lady’s statue and five ladies, and finding writing come out on the picture, something that is almost an impossibility in our human nature. And it said, J-A-C-I-N-T- A, and underneath, 1-9-7-2.

     Well, I received in the mail from Robert F. about two days later just enough time to drop it—he must have dropped that picture in the mail. He addressed it to me immediately at my home, and I received the picture in the mail. And at that time, I believe I could call him on the telephone (though his phone is unlisted in 1980; I guess others have been calling about his picture) and he explained how he got it. Of course, I already knew this at the time, because Clara Kreitmeyer was with us still in the work. She had already explained what had happened.

 

Fatima and the Third Secret

And then I started to ask around about Jacinta of Fatima, and I soon found out why that picture was given. And throughout the years we have held that picture and have tried to share it with the world.

     And, of course, in order to know the full extent of that photograph miraculous, you must also know about Fatima. One of Our Lady’s appearances in the world was at Fatima, in Portugal, in which She also gave warnings—warnings that all came true—and one warning that was kept hidden. And the fact that it was kept hidden has brought about so much chaos in the world and the Church today. It should never have remained hidden, Our Lady said. However, that is another story.

     For all who are familiar with Fatima and other appearances of Our Lady such as at La Salette, that I have recently learned of—would you kindly, for your own enlightenment, read of Our Lady’s appearances at Fatima and La Salette and you will understand why, also, Our Lady came to Bayside.

 

"My child, they converse of the secret that I gave at Fatima. It is a simple explanation. It could not be fully revealed because of the drastic nature of My message. How I warned and warned that satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy in Rome. The Third Secret, My child, is that satan would enter into My Son's Church." - Our Lady of the Roses, May 13, 1978

"My children, long ago I warned you from Fatima, I warned you through many voice-boxes throughout your world that the time will come when you will embark upon a stormy sea, and it shall be bishop against bishop and cardinal against cardinal, and satan shall set himself in your midst." - Our Lady of the Roses, November 20, 1976

"I gave Lucy the Revelation as a temporary secret—as I revealed [the Third Secret] to you on two occasions. Make a concerted effort to bring its entirety to Our children on earth. The hierarchy have not listened to My counsel—thirty-two years lost in indecision and fear of exposure. The Faith is shattered for many." - Our Lady of the Roses, April 29, 1992

Our Lady of the Roses awesome Bayside Prophecies... http://www.tldm.org/../Bayside/
These prophecies came from Jesus, Mary, and the saints to Veronica Lueken at Bayside, NY, from 1968 to 1995.

SISTER  LUCY
"I wish at this time, My children, to repeat again the need to write, to speak, to meet with the Holy Father in Rome, and plead with him to have Lucy come forward and tell the Third Secret word for word, as I give to you each evening on My appearances upon the grounds of Bayside, and Flushing Meadows." - Our Lady, June 18, 1986

SCORNED,  DISCARDED,  HIDDEN
"Many years have gone by, My children, since I tried to warn you at Fatima. My message was scorned then by many, discarded and hidden from the world, but My message now cannot be discarded or kept hidden, for you have reached now a point in your life, My children, your lifetime upon your earth, when your days are now being counted." - Our Lady, February 10, 1977

FATIMA  
"My child, how many warnings have I sent upon the world, and yet they go unheeded.
   "I wish that you make known, or refresh the memory of My children with My visit to the land of Fatima." - Our Lady, April 13, 1974

THIRD  SECRET
"My child, they converse of the secret that I gave at Fatima. It is a simple explanation. It could not be fully revealed because of the drastic nature of My message. How I warned and warned that satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy in Rome. The Third Secret, My child, is that satan would enter into My Son's Church." - Our Lady, May 13, 1978

"YOU  DID  NOT  LISTEN"
"My Mother came to you at Fatima warning that unless man stopped his path to perdition, Russia would spread her errors throughout your world causing misery, sufferings, and death and enslavement. My children, you did not listen and act upon Her counsel then, just as many now do not listen and act upon Her counsel. It is a part of human nature to exercise too free a will to reject. And this, I say, falls also onto My pastors who are scattering My sheep in My House." - Our Lady, May 27, 1978

CAST  ASIDE
"My warnings at Fatima were cast aside as they are being cast aside now, My children. It is a failing of human nature, My child, that that which does not give pleasure to the carnal nature of man is not accepted. Man shall blind himself to the truth, as he does not wish to face the truth. And those who seek to bring him the truth are cast aside and do much penance, My child." - Our Lady, September 13, 1975

THE FIGHT FOR POWER HAS BEGUN
"The forces of evil are gathering.  666 now controls all the world, and sad to say, My children, 666 has entered upon Rome, and the fight for power has begun.  Pray for your Vicar.  Pray for all men of sin, and above all, My children, pray for your children, for many parents shall shed tears of great remorsetoo late!" - Jesus, September 28, 1976  

IN THE YEAR 1972
"Satan, Lucifer in human form, entered into Rome in the year 1972. He cut off the rule, the role of the Holy Father, Pope Paul VI. Lucifer has controlled Rome and continues this control now.
    "And I tell you now, My children, unless you pray and make My counsel known to all of the ruling fathers of the Eternal City of Rome, My Son's Church, His House, will be forced into the catacombs. A great struggle lies ahead for mankind. The eventual outcome is for good of all, for this trial in My Son's Church will be a true proving ground for all the faithful. Many latter-day saints shall rise out of the tribulation." - Our Lady, September 7, 1978

HIGHEST REALMS OF THE HIERARCHY
"My child, they converse of the secret that I gave at Fatima. It is a simple explanation. It could not be fully revealed because of the drastic nature of My message. How I warned and warned that satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy in Rome. The Third Secret, My child, is that satan would enter into My Son's Church." - Our Lady, May 13, 1978

Directives from Heaven...  http://www.tldm.org/directives/directives.htm

D10 - Consecrate Russia  PDF Logo PDF
D105 - Fatima 
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D127 - Vatican II  PDF Logo PDF
D130 - THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 2 - Satan entered the Church in 1972  PDF Logo PDF
D131 -
THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 3 - Satan entered the highest realms of the hierarchy  PDF Logo PDF
D132 -
THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 4 - There shall be bishop against bishop and cardinal against cardinal, as satan has set himself in their midst.  PDF Logo PDF
D133 - THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 5 - The Apocalypse / Revelations
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D161 - The Great Apostasy PDF Logo PDF

Articles…

Evidence for the REAL Third Secret of Fatima:

Cardinal Oddi on the REAL Third Secret of Fatima: "The Blessed Virgin was alerting us against the apostasy in the Church"
http://www.tldm.org/news7/ThirdSecretCardinalOddi.htm


Fr. Alonso, official achivist of Fatima: The REAL Third Secret of Fatima warned of apostasy in the Church
http://www.tldm.org/news7/ThirdSecretFatherAlonso.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: Fr. Malachi Martin affirms that satanism has been practiced in the Vatican
http://www.tldm.org/news/martin.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: The "deception of the century"
http://www.tldm.org/news3/impostor.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: The murder of Pope John Paul I
http://www.tldm.org/news3/johnpaulI.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: "Satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy"
http://www.tldm.org/news3/highest_realms.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: Communist agents have infiltrated into the Catholic hierarchy to destroy from within
http://www.tldm.org/news2/infiltrators.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: World's most famous exorcist has said, "legions of demons that have installed themselves in the Vatican"
http://www.tldm.org/News6/exorcism1.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: Why didn’t Rome do more about the clergy sex-abuse scandal?
http://www.tldm.org/news5/Rome.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: Man who shot Pope John Paul II says, "Without the help of some priests and cardinals I could not have done it"
http://www.tldm.org/News7/CardinalsHelpedMehmetAliAgca.htm

Evidence of the REAL Third Secret: Jacinta told Mother Godinho the Third Secret, but...
http://www.tldm.org/news/StTheresa3rdSecret.htm

Third Secret of Fatima:

The REAL Third Secret of Fatima explains the chaos
http://www.tldm.org/news6/ThirdSecret.htm

Evidence of a fabrication: Sister Lucy's handwriting notably different in document released by Vatican as the "third secret"
http://www.tldm.org/news/lucys_writing.htm


Evidence of a fabrication: The REAL Third Secret of Fatima specifically mentioned the year 1972, as Jacinta revealed to Mother Godinho
http://www.tldm.org/news/StTheresa3rdSecret.htm

 

Evidence of a fabrication: World-famous forensic expert believes Vatican's released "third secret" is not in Sister Lucy's authentic handwriting
http://www.tldm.org/news/speckin-p2.htm

 

More evidence of a fabrication: Jacinta's vision of the Holy Father, "the poor little one," was Pope Paul VI
http://www.tldm.org/news/vision_of_jacinta.htm
 
 

Two big blunders of the Fatima experts
http://www.tldm.org/news5/blunders.htm


Sister Lucy talked about the "diabolical disorientation" in the Church as 1972 approached
http://www.tldm.org/news5/1972.htm

 

Third Secret was to be revealed no later than 1960, "because the Blessed Virgin wishes it so"
http://www.tldm.org/news/in_1960.htm

 

Third Secret: "Words" of Our Lady, not a vision
http://www.tldm.org/news3/contradictions.htm


Flaws in the "two-document" Third Secret theory
http://www.tldm.org/news5/flaws.htm


Which Third Secret meets the litmus test?
http://www.tldm.org/litmus_test.htm


Fatimagate
http://www.tldm.org/FatimaGate.htm

Consecration of Russia:

The REAL Sister Lucy has repeatedly stated that Russia must be consecrated by name

http://www.tldm.org/news7/SisterLucyConsecrationOfRussia.htm
 

Besiege the Pope to consecrate Russia to Our Lady
http://www.tldm.org/News6/consecration4.htm


The “conversion of Russia”: what does it really mean?
http://www.tldm.org/News7/ConversionOfRussia.htm

 

The meaning of the "consecration" of Russia
http://www.tldm.org/News7/Alonso.htm


Our Lady of the Roses warns: Russia has not been consecrated properly; Pope John Paul II must consecrate Russia, not the world
http://www.tldm.org/News6/consecration3.htm

Pope concerned about persecution of the Catholic Church in Russia
http://www.tldm.org/news6/persecution.htm

Russia's persecution of the Catholic Church back in high gear
http://www.tldm.org/news5/ruse.htm

Sister Lucy:

Sister Lucy was silenced
http://www.tldm.org/news/sister_lucy_silenced.htm

 

Sister Lucy talked about the "diabolical disorientation" in the Church as 1972 approached
http://www.tldm.org/news5/1972.htm

 

A forgery to replace the REAL Third Secret; an impersonator to replace the REAL Sister Lucy
http://www.tldm.org/News7/ConspiracyToSilenceSisterLucy.htm


The REAL Sister Lucy has repeatedly stated that Russia must be consecrated by name
http://www.tldm.org/news7/SisterLucyConsecrationOfRussia.htm

 

Sister Lucy "will bear witness" that Jacinta appeared at Our Lady of the Roses Shrine
http://www.tldm.org/news3/affirm.htm

 

Vatican-Moscow Treaty:

Rescind the Vatican-Moscow Treaty
http://www.tldm.org/news/treaty.htm

 

Links...

Sister Lucy and the Pirates
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr70/cr70pg03.asp


It doesn't add up
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr70/cr70pg12.asp

 

A false sister Lucy substituted for the true? Fatima Centre
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr44/cr44pg36.asp

 

A "new Fatima" for a "new church", part 1
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr75/cr75pg08.asp


A "new Fatima" for a "new church", part 2

http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr76/cr76pg65.asp

 

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